(If I say something that is right, then God has inspired me. If I say something that is wrong, then it is my own mistake.)

The name written on her forehead was a mystery: Babylon the great – the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth. 
-Revelation 17:5 

1. The mysterious name of the whore 
Why is a reference being made to Babylon? And what is actually meant by her being the mother of ‘prostitutes and abominations’?
First off, it is indeed mysterious that the whores name contains a reference to a city that had collapsed centuries prior to the Book of Revelation being written. Christians would know that Babylon wasn’t just any ordinary city, but one that is repeatedly portrayed in the Bible as an enemy of the Israelites. We also know from the book of Revelation, that place names are applied symbolically to other entities and so therefore, it can safely be assumed that ‘Babylon’ also appears symbolically in the whore’s name. But if symbols aren’t randomly thrown about and if defunct Babylon also happens to be the whore’s symbolic name, is there a deeper meaning to the whore’s name?

2. What does the whore represent? 
Many Christian theologians point to the idolatry and false religion of historical Babylon and arbitrarily insert religious meanings to the events and symbols of chapters 17 and 18. They go on to claim that the whore is some “false religion”, and declare some religion they oppose (usually its the Roman Catholic Church) as being the whore. However, we see that Chapters 17 and 18 contain both veiled and explicit references to corrupt economics and trade as opposed to “false religions” and “false gods”.

For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. 
– Revelation 18:3 

I have already covered this subject in a previous thread here, but I’ll just post a brief explanation for now.
- The whores “fornication” represents a usury based economic system.
- The kings committing adultery with her are governments who are players in the whores economic system.
- The merchants are the businessmen and bankers, who grow rich from whores economic system.
- The nations are “drunk” because they have been deceived by the whores economic system.

If you believe that the whore is something else, good for you. Start a thread on it. I believe the usury based economics theory better explains all those cryptic verses about fornication and nations getting drunk and merchants getting rich. This is the crux of my argument.

3. The Babylonian origins of usury 
While working on this post, I had to look into whether or not the name ‘Babylon’ was compatible with my theory that the whore’s symbolic fornication symbolized a usury based economic system. In other words, if I could establish a connection between a usury based economic system and the name ‘Babylon’, it would perfectly explain why the whore is named ‘Babylon’. 

From a purely academic point of view,  the geographical region that Babylon occupied happens to be the birthplace of the banking institution. And unsurprisingly, the Babylonians are credited with developing the earliest commercial banking systems – complete with loans, credit and interest!
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Simply put, usury is ancient Babylon’s lasting contribution to the world of economics.
Usury is a Babylonian abomination that has not only survived to this day, but thrives globally as a legitimate practice, that is accepted as business-as-usual. It will be through this practice on an international level that the whore fornicates with kings, while deceiving the nations and making her merchants rich. So when you think of “usury”, just think of Babylon, the land of its origin. It now makes sense as to why the whore is named Babylon and not anything else. Because if abominations and prostitutes are representative of usury and its practitioners, then Babylon is literally the mother of the prostitutes and abominations of the earth!

4. Babylon lives on through the practice of usury. 
Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him. 
– Ezekiel 18:13 

Today historical Babylon exists only as ruins in Iraq or as museum exhibits. The Babylonian religion has long since been eradicated and its idols are in the scrap heaps of history, never to be worshiped again. Yet, usury is the one Babylonian abomination that did not die with the collapse of Babylon in 539 BC. I’m no historian, but I’m willing to wager that Babylonian practices of usury and deceptive economics was transmitted to other parts of the world through trade well before the collapse of Babylon. It is also not too far fetched to imagine that many of the Israelites who lived in Babylon corrupted themselves by adopting Babylonian practices, despite being warned by God to keep away from the abomination of usury.

The whore of the end times, called ‘Babylon’ would be an incarnation of ancient Babylon. She would serve as the carrier of Babylon’s ancient filth, under a different name and perhaps as the global capital of the future economic system. The whore will operate via her merchants described as the “great men” of the earth. 

…for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. – Revelations 18:23 

Its not kings or military leaders, but rather the whores merchants who are described as being the “great men” of the earth. One would have to be blind to fail to recognize them as the corrupt international bankers, who have weaponized economics and work behind the scenes as the real wielders of power in the world today.

God knows best!

Further reading :
The Bible identifies the whore of Babylon as Jerusalem.
Revelation : The whores “fornication” is usury.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread971615/pg1

(If I say something that is right, then God has inspired me. If I say something that is wrong, then it is my own mistake.)

The city of Jerusalem, mentioned hundreds of times throughout the Bible, could well be considered as the center stage of most of the Bible. Strangely however, when it comes to the Book of Revelation, the city of Jerusalem is not mentioned by name even a single time!

While the name “Jerusalem” appears thrice in the Book of Revelation, none of those are references to the earthly city of Jerusalem, that we know as the capital of modern Israel. Rather, they are all references to a heavenly city called the “new” Jerusalem. The earthly city of Jerusalem is unflatteringly alluded to via symbols and hints :
- as the place where Jesus was crucified.
- as symbolic “Egypt” and “Sodom”
- as Babylon, the city that had the blood of holy men. (Refer to Matthew 23:37)
- as the whore – representing a city – drunk with the blood of holy men.

(Refer to my other thread detailing how the whore of Babylon is Biblically identified as Jerusalem.)

By not mentioning the earthly city of Jerusalem by name, the author tip toes around the subject, while dropping plenty of hints for the unbiased reader to know exactly what city he was talking about. Thus, it can be inferred that the writer of Revelation either had a major axe to grind with Jerusalem OR he indeed had visions about Jerusalem the way it is portrayed in the Book of Revelation. Either way, it’s evident that in Revelation, the earthly city of Jerusalem is not aligned with the forces of good and is headed towards destruction.

The very idea of a “new” Jerusalem raises to mind the question on as to what becomes of the “Old” Jerusalem. The obvious answer is that the old Jerusalem is being replaced by the heavenly city. By putting the pieces together, we can gather that the old Jerusalem, is the destroyed city of Revelation 18, which in the previous chapter, was symbolized as the whore. The Bible shows us that the blood of holy men are on the hands of three entities- Jerusalem, the whore that symbolized a city and the city of Babylon. These three entities are one and the same, but referred to under different names.

Jerusalem’s crime of spilling the blood of holy men is something that needs to be emphasized as it holds the key to resolving a great portion of the mysteries found in the Book of Revelation. When Christians still choose to defend Jerusalem from the crimes of prophet killing – something that Jesus himself accused Jerusalem of – they do so to defend their own pro-Israel outlook on Jerusalem. It is because they have been led to believe that Israel is aligned to the forces of “good”, or that Israel will enjoy the special protection of Jesus when he returns. Unfortunately for Zionist Christians, they have a major surprise in store for them and it is better that we wait this one out and see the final outcome with our own eyes.

God knows best!

(If I say something that is right, then God has inspired me. If I say something that is wrong, then it is my own mistake.)

1. Introduction
One of the many symbols that appear in the book of Revelations is the mysterious “whore”. Using the Bible, she can be identified as the city of Jerusalem. I have expanded on this in another thead - The Bible identifies the whore of Babylon as Jerusalem. This point is backed up by several Biblical quotes.

Now, if you happen to believe that the whore is something else, that is your take on the matter and you are most entitled to it. But this thread however, is going to be based on the premise that the whore is Jerusalem. Having said that, I am not up to debate the very premise of the thread, so don’t waste your time trying to convince me that the whore isn’t Jerusalem.

2. The whore, nations, kings and merchants.
Students of eschatology know that besides other things, the whore-
a) Possesses great wealth and luxury, symbolized by the gold, pearls and precious stones that she is adorned with.
b) “Fornicates” with kings and somehow makes the merchants of the earth wealthy.
c) Gets the nations drunk with the ‘wine of her fornication’.

Now pay special attention to Revelations 18:3 -
For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. – Revelation 18:3

Revelation 18:3 is peculiar in its metaphorical use of ‘intoxication’ and ‘fornication’ to narrate the whores relation with kings, nations and oddly – merchants. Could this seemingly innocuous reference to merchants hold the answer to larger questions?

The metaphors and the characters in that verse all provide vital clues on this matter. It also raises the following questions :
- What exactly is meant by her fornication with the kings?
- What do merchants of the earth have to do with all of this and how exactly are they growing rich because of her? (Important)
- What is meant by the ‘wine of the wrath of her fornication’ and how did the nations drink it?

In order to be able to answer these questions, we need to know what the metaphorical‘fornication’ really stands for. If “whore” is symbolic of a city, then what is her “fornication” symbolic of? (Answers revealed later in this thread.)

3. The whores fornication = usury!
What if the whores “fornication” is symbolic of an evil that plagues our world today -usury!
(Plenty has been written about this subject by people who are far more well versed in economics than I am.)

Now interpreting prophecies requires a bit of imagination, in addition to connecting dots and asking the right questions. Sometimes it helps to ask what-if questions, so as to open doors to new possibilities. Here’s how I arrived at the answer. I had recently read a Hadith that taught that usury is a sin worse than adultery. This got me thinking and I wondered if the book of Revelations is also comparing usury to a sexual sin, as carried out by the whore. I then started looking into how the narrative of the whore would unfold if the whores ‘fornication’ was replaced with ‘usury’, and to my amazement it all started to fall in place like pieces of a jigsaw!

Here are the answers.
The “fornication” between the whore and the kings represents the abominable financial system based on usury. It is through this system that the whore and the merchants of the earth grow rich.
- The kings committing adultery with her are world leaders who are also players in the whores usury based financial system.
- The merchants are the businessmen and bankers, who grow rich from whores usury based financial system.
- The nations are drunk with the wine of her fornication because they have been made a part of the whores usury based financial system.
In this light, one can deduce that usury is part of the filth that fills the whores golden cup, an important symbol pertaining to the whore. It is another of her major sins, in addition to having the blood of the holy people.

That usury is an abomination is nothing new. Several verses in the Old Testament teach that usury is forbidden by God Almighty. In fact, usury, is explicitly declared as an abomination!

Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him. – Ezekiel 18:13 

4. When kings and merchants weep over a whore.
And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning – Revelation 18:9

And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more. – Revelation 18:11

The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing. – Revelation 18:15

When the whore was destroyed, so was the abominable financial system the kings and merchants lived by.
The fact that mighty kings and merchants, mourn and weep over the whore is further proof that the whores “fornication” was a financial system that they were benefiting from. They mourn and weep for the whore because the financial system that brought them wealth and riches had collapsed.

Interestingly, more than the kings who fornicated with her, its the merchants who mourn and weep over the whore. In fact, verses 11-19, contains only the lamentations of merchants, mourning over the whore and their own material losses!

5. The “great men of the earth” – villains behind the scenes.
Just before the end of the chapter, we learn that the merchants were not just neutral characters caught up in the chaos.

…for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. – Revelations 18:23 

There you have it. The merchants, described as the great men of the earth belonged to the whores system all along! They are in all likelihood, the architects of the same usury based financial system and one with the whore. This perfectly explains why they were the ones mourning the whore the most. The nations were all deceived when they were suckered in to the whores financial system. This connects back to Revelation 18:3, where the nations are said to be drunk with the wine of her fornication.

So, the mention of merchants did indeed provide the vital clue to help resolve the mystery of the whore and the meaning of her fornication.

6. The whore gets a taste of her own medicine.
Once you understand the whores fornication as symbolic of an usury based financial system, then one of her punishments starts to make sense.

Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. – Revelations 18:6

In other words, she is to be given a taste of her own medicine, a double dose from her own cup of abominations. With interest, if you will.

God knows best!

(If I say something that is right, then God has inspired me. If I say something that is wrong, then it is my own mistake.)

1. Introduction to the whore
The book of revelation is known to contain a lot of symbolic imagery. One of these symbols happens to be a “whore”, adorned in scarlet and gold. She is depicted as sitting on a beast with 7 heads and 10 horns (the same as the first beast) and is drunk with the blood of saints and prophets. In the same chapter we also read that the seven horns represent seven hills, and towards the end of the chapter, the whore is revealed to be a city. Bear in mind this imagery, as we will be going over them one by one.

2. Using the Bible to identify the whore
A lot of Christians identify the “whore” or the city as being related to the Vatican city or Catholicism. This is a falsehood perpetrated by those with an anti-Catholic bias. I am not defending the Catholic church, but the claim that the “whore” is the Vatican is simply not in line with what the Bible teaches.

Anybody who is serious about deciphering the Biblical concept of the “whore” needs to use the Bible as a guide… not their own imaginations and biases. Going by the verses in revelations 17:18, we know that the whore represents a certain city. This city can be profiled as having the following traits:
a) Has the blood of saints and holy men
b) Sits on seven hills
c) Adorned in scarlet and gold / killed by her lovers

The key to Biblically identifying the whore is to pinpoint exactly what city in the Bible matches all of the whores traits. Upon reading the Bible, we learn that there is only one entity in the entire Bible that matches up to the whores description. Jerusalem.

If we were to go over the whores traits and compare it to Jerusalem, we see that :

a) Jerusalem – killer of saints and holy men
Jesus himself said of Jerusalem…

Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets
-Matthew 23:29-31

That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
-Matthew 23:35

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you,
-Matthew 23:37

Only Jerusalem is accused of the same crime as the whore… of having spilled the blood of holy men and saints. This alone should be enough to establish the identity of the whore as Jerusalem.

b) Jerusalem – a city on seven hills.
Jerusalem makes the list of List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills

- The northern summit (hill) is called Scopus (Hill One)
- The middle summit (hill) was called Nob (Hill Two)
- The highest point of Olivet itself, and the southern summit (hill) was called in the Holy Scriptures the “Mount of Corruption” or “Mount of Offence” (Hill Three)
- On the middle ridge between the Kedron and the Tyropoeon Valleys there was (formerly) in the south “Mount Zion” (Hill Four)
- The “Ophel Mount” (Hill Five)
- To the north of that the “Rock” around which “Fort Antonia” was built (Hill Six),
- The southwest hill itself (Hill Seven)

c) Jerusalem – Adorned in scarlet and gold / Killed by her lovers
First, these are the colors associated with the “priesthood” who Jesus condemned.

Have them use gold, and blue, purple and scarlet yarn, and fine linen.
“Make the ephod of gold, and of blue, purple and scarlet yarn, and of finely twisted linen—the work of skilled hands. It is to have two shoulder pieces attached to two of its corners, so it can be fastened. Its skillfully woven waistband is to be like it—of one piece with the ephod and made with gold, and with blue, purple and scarlet yarn, and with finely twisted linen.
-Exodus 28:5-8

“Fashion a breastpiece for making decisions—the work of skilled hands. Make it like the ephod: of gold, and of blue, purple
-Exodus 28:15

Make pomegranates of blue, purple and scarlet yarn around the hem of the robe, with goldbells between them
-Exodus 28:33 

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Gold = mentioned 16 times
Purple = mentioned 5 times
Scarlet = mentioned 5 times

Then, only Jerusalem is described in the Bible as being adorned in scarlet and gold.

We read in Jeremiah:
And you, O desolate one, what will you do? Although you dress in scarlet, Although you decorate yourself with ornaments of gold, Although you enlarge your eyes with paint, In vain you make yourself beautiful; Your lovers despise you; They seek your life. I hear a cry as of a woman in labor, a groan as of one bearing her first child-the cry of the Daughter of Zion gasping for breath, stretching out her hands and saying, “Alas! I am fainting; my life is given over to murderers.”
-Jeremiah 4:30-31

Now compare that verse with these ones in Revelations…

And the woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a gold cup full of abominations and of the unclean things of her immorality
– Revelation 17:4

And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
– Revelations 17:16

“Daughter of zion” is a clear reference to Jerusalem. Just like the whore, she too is described as being adorned in scarlet and gold. And just like the whore, her former lovers turn against her and kill her. The whores is also destroyed by the 10 horns, who are revealed as kings and her former lovers in Revelations 17:2.

Several times in the bible, explicit sexual imagery has been used to describe Jerusalem / Israel’s unfaithfulness. Off the top of my head, 2 entire chapters in the book of Ezekiel describe Israel as a “prostitute”. Ezekiel 16 and Ezekiel 23

Notice the parallels between Ezekiel 23 and that of Revelations 17.

Ezekiel 23: I will stir up your lovers against you…
They will come against you with weapons,chariots…
I will turn you over to them for punishment…
I will direct my jealous anger against you, and they will deal with you in fury…
Revelations 17 : For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose…
The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute… 
Ezekiel 23 :They will also strip you of your clothes and take your fine jewelry. 
Revelations 17 :They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; 
Ezekiel 23 :They will cut off your noses and your ears…
those of you who are left will fall by the sword….
and those of you who are left will be consumed by fire.
Revelations 17 : they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 

3. Jerusalem = the whore = the city of Babylon
Another important point to note is that Revelations 17 ends with the destruction of the whore and the very next chapter details the destruction of a city, Babylon. To put it simply, Jerusalem is the whore… the whore is Babylon, the city that is to be destroyed. We read in Revelations 18 that the destroyed city called “Babylon” is….

Adorned in scarlet and gold…
“‘Woe! Woe to you, great city, dressed in fine linen, purple and scarlet, and glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls!
-Revelations 18:16 

Has the blood of the prophets…
In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people, of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
- Revelations 18:24  

Its a perfect match. The fact that Jerusalem is equated with Babylon is no surprise, considering in Revelations 11:8, Jerusalem is equated to Sodom and Egypt.

We see that the descriptions of Jerusalem perfectly matches that of the whore. It is established that Jerusalem, and no other, is the whore of Revelations 17. Those who insist its the Vatican are either deluded or willfully deny whats there in their own Bibles.

4. Jerusalem – city of sin

Now that it has been biblically established that Jerusalem is the whore of revelations, lets look at the moral state of Jerusalem, the way it is today. For starters, modern day Jerusalem (or Israel for that matter) is not exactly the holy and God fearing Israel, as many Christians falsely assume. Instead, Israel is a hub for gay tourism, with gay pride parades taking place even in Jerusalem, where Jesus and the prophets once walked.

Prostitution is also rampant. Israel reportedly has one of the highest rates of prostitution in the world, with the sex trade raking in nearly $2 Billion a year. Furthermore, adding Israels wickedness, Jesus, the central figure of the Christian religion… is also mocked on national TV. So with all this open homosexuality, prostitution and insulting of Jesus going on… Do Christians really believe that this is the Israel that was prophesied to emerge in the holy land?

God knows best.

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